Thursday, July 26, 2007

Shill, Just Shut It

Ever since Curt Schilling joined the Red Sox I’ve pretty much loved him. He works hard and almost always gives his team a chance to win. He seems to genuinely care about the fans and the charities he’s involved with and he will always give an honest answer when asked a question. All of those things are why I’ve always defended Shilling when he’s said something controversial or obnoxious.

I think it’s pretty hypocritical that the same people who complain about athletes not talking to the media and using the same old clichés when they actual do were all about blasting Schilling for giving his honest opinions on issues. But with that being said, Curt, sometimes its best to just shut up.

He’s already seen the reaction the last time he said something about Bond’s and it wasn’t positive. I thought he would have learned his lesson. Schilling deserves a lot of respect for the way he plays the game, but openly criticizing other players on issues that have nothing do with him is going to cause people to lose a great deal of that respect he’s earned over the years. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be entitled to his opinion; he just needs to stop and think if he really wants to have an opinion on everything.


Buzzsaw said...

Pretty much every other time Shilling opens his mouth, I'd agree with you that he needs to stop, but not in this instance. Shilling is the only player coming out against Barry Bonds, not one player will talk to Mitchell in his investigation. The "steroid era" is going to affect everyone who played during the period, including Shilling, so I think he, and others, should come out denouncing Bonds .. the personification of the steroid era. I realize there are others, and Bonds is being unfairly targeted in comparison to other steroid users, but he deserves criticism nonetheless. So I think it's good someone is saying something, even if it is that douchebag Curt Shilling.

Daris said...

Ya, but I think ppl who are part of the "steriod" era aren't denouncing Bonds because they at least knew/know other players who were/are still doing steriods.

The players stick together, and I'm sure they don't want to further open Selig's can of worms. No one wants to be the snitch, and more importantly, no one wants to come out denouncing Bonds, Sosa, or McGwire because more questions would start being directed towards that person.

I mean if you knew a bunch of kids in your class cheated on a test would you tell the professor?

Maybe, but only if you were going to be affected in someway by what they did. I don't know how the steriod era is going to affect the other players?? I assume you're talking about stats and records, but too be honest I dont think too many players care about that stuff after the fact.

Logan said...


Normally I can respectfully disagree with you, but not on this one. It's pretty obvious that you're arguing for just the sake of arguing.

You think Schilling should be applauded for coming out and criticizing Bonds while at the same time you admit that Bonds unfairly gets most of the criticism? How is this comment any different from the other comments Schilling makes that cause you to call him a douchebag? Its not.

Why is it good that he's saying something? He didn't enlighten us with any insider information. What he said isn't any different from some fan or writer making accusations without much more evidence than public perception. The only difference is Bonds is a colleague and its just not his place to be saying that. Its not that everyone else is afraid to say anything, they just realize that you don't go around talking shit about the people you work with, especially on national tv.

Buzzsaw said...

Why does it seem like I'm arguing for the sake of arguing? I hate Barry Bonds and think the players all need to step up and denounce steroids and those who use them, it's fucking up baseball. I don't think others will follow Shilling, but why should he stay quite on this issue? Is Hank Aaron not part of the baseball fraternity? His record is getting broken by a cheater.
I thought about the "cheating in class" example before you even mentioned it, I know I wouldn't tell on someone, but if you think about it you can't be pissed if someone does snitch. If you're in a class with weighted grading, your score is being affected by every question that person gets right, you'd just be standing up for yourself and your grade, just like baseball.
It's not like Shilling is speaking out about players (Manny...) smoking weed or players cheating on their wives, those are things that don't affect him and he should shut the fuck up about. Steroids, however, effects everything in baseball, and I think the players are copping out by not saying anything about it. How much better might Shilling's ERA be in a steroid free era?

... Logan- You really don't think I believe what I'm arguing? You think I believe that players should stay quiet? It's really annoying when you say I'm arguing just to argue.

Daris said...

ya, except your weighted class average argument doesn't really hold up if you took the class 5 years ago. at that point no one really gives a shit anymore because theres nothing that can really be accomplished by bitching.

Daris said...

Moreover,you know Schilling opens his mouth because he craves attention, so I don't really think his "motive" is trying to fix the problems in baseball. Oh, and he should speak out about Manny smoking weed (if thats true) because it sure can't help his team's chance of winning a championship. Schilling likes calling people out just so long as he doesn't have to look those people in the face as he does it. Pretty cowardly if you ask me!

The players, who you say should be stepping up aren't because they realize its not their place to make accusations unless there is solid evidence. Being pissed off that someone most likely cheated isn't enough to start campaiging for that person's.

I'm pretty sure Cal Ripken Jr. knows of some guys who juiced during his playing days. You don't see him running around calling people out. I wonder why?

Buzzsaw said...

I don't know Shilling's intentions, none of us do. I'm not defending him as a person, I hate him actually, I'm just saying I'm glad a baseball player is saying this, period.
As for the class example, I think it'd be pretty naive to say that the steroid era is over.

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Daris said...

my class example is in no way a time argument. You could replace the word years with minutes in my previous post and its still the same. Bitching after the fact, no matter how long after, is idiotic. Snitch as something is going on, not later when its difficult to prove. Doesn't make sense any other way.

My point is not to say that the steroid era is over, but rather that Schilling is wasting his time going after a man who stopped juicing a long time ago (for obvious reasons). He has no real expectation of getting anything accomplished (for himself or the league)so his comments are useless. Bitching and calling people out does nothing to fix the steroids in baseball problem.

I'd think its naive to suggest that the steriod era isn't at the very end of its ever so newsworthy life. I'd venture to guess that the steriod "era" user numbers would form a bell curve that peaked from 1998-2002 and is now nearing an end (for many reasons I don't think I need to get into)

Buzzsaw said...

I include the HGH Era in the steroid era, and that will go on until they can test for it ... I would not be surprised at all to find that Bonds is still on HGH. My point is that it's good to see a player speak out, Selig won't have the balls to erase Bonds record,or Palmiero's 3000th hit, or Sosas HR's without player support. So, forgetting it's Shilling, comments like these are a good thing in my eyes.